Italian "q-ship" Decoy Vessels

[ptdockyard]

Did the Italian Navy use submarine decoy vessels "Q-ships" in either World War I or World War II?

 

 

Dave G

The PT Dockyard

Modificato 8 Aprile, 2011 da Alagi

[de domenico]

Well, in World War I it did. Aldo Fraccaroli, in "Italian Warships of World War I", Ian Allan , 1970, lists eight such vessels:

 

FOLGORE, ex Italian merchant ship, ex Austro-Hungarian SS ZETA, 104 grt/1914, in service 1.1.1917 (after conversion at Arsenale di Venezia), sunk Nov. 1917 in the Piave river by gunfire, raised Nov.-Dec.1917 and recommissioned. Discarded 31.7.1919, returned to previous owners.

 

GALLINARA, ex merchant motor schooner NOSTRA SIGNORA DEL BOSCHETTO, ex French AMIRAL FORET, built by J. Guerruel at Antibes as a sailing ship, 106 grt/1908, in service 1.7.1915 (purchased from owner A. Mortola of Genova, which had had her engined). Sunk 22-23/11/1915 by A-H destroyer LIKA off Brindisi.

 

GIANICOLO, ex river steamer of Soc. Ital. di Navigaz. Marittima e Fluviale, Roma, 262 or 266grt/1907, built by N. Odero at Sestri Ponente, comm. 16.5.1915 as a decoy ship/minelayer. Discarded 21.1.1920 and sold commercially to "Il Mare" SA, Genova, 1926 to Andrea Zanchi, Genova. Iscritto nel LR fino al 1931.

 

MALAMOCCO, a motor schooner of 300 grt, ex .....,comm. 1916, unarmed, operated in Autumn 1917 as a decoy ship together with the sub PACINOTTI. Discarded 1920.

 

PANTELLERIA, ex merchant motor schooner (brigantino-goletta) CUORE DI GESU', 199 or 204 grt, comm. 1.7.1915, former owner Raffaele Di Maio. Sunk 14.8.1916 South of Taranto by a torpedo from U4 after a gun battle (the Q-ship had 2 x 47 mm) or 1.12.1916 6 mi. SE of Giannutri by U 32.

 

SAETTA, ex Italian merchant ship, ex A-H SS LOWCEN, 104 grt/1915, seized at Venice 5.1915 while building by Savinem, comm. 1.1.1917 (after conversion at the Arsenale di Venezia). Sunk in Venice lagoon 17.12.1917 (where she was used as a gunboat after the Caporetto retreat) by artillery fire; raised, repaired and again in service. Discarded 31.7.1919, again mercantile LOWCEN for the Comp. di Antivari of Giuseppe Volpi fu Ernesto, Venice, service on the Bojana under Austrian or Montenegrin flag (?), then laid up Venice; in 1926 purchased by the Regia Marina as the harbour tug SAN PIETRO (stricken in 1971).

 

SASSARI, a passenger/cargo steamer, 1489 grt, ex LADY ROBERTS, built 1897 by Ailsa, Troon, for the British & Irish Steam Packet Co. Ltd., purchased 8.1913 by Soc. di Nav. Marittima Italiana as SASSARI, 1915 Serv. di Navigaz. di Stato, comm. Regia Marina as an AMC (8.1916) but used until 12.1916 as a decoy ship, then rejected as too slow (11 kts) and used as a convoy escort ship. Returned to owner 11.4.1919. 5.1923 to Italia Soc. di Nav., same month to CITRA, Comp. Ital. TRAnsatlantica, 1.1932 to Florio Soc. di Nav., 2.1932 to Tirrenia Flotte Riunite (Florio e CITRA). Broken up at Naples in 1933. In mid-August 1916 she had a fight in the Tyrrhenian Sea with U 35.

 

USTICA, ex merchant motor schooner RAFFAELE PADRE, 198 later 239 grt, built 4.1915 by Guglielmo Donnarumma at Castellammare di Stabia for Gennaro & Ciro Capano, Torre del Greco. Comm. Regia Marina 1.7.1915, used at first as a decoy ship then as a searchlight-ship in Valona harbour. Disc. 11.9.1919 and returned to owners as RAFFAELE PADRE (later R. Capano & Figli, Torre del Greco, then in the 1930s Luigi & Ignazio Ciccolella, Trieste). Stricken from Lloyd's Register in 1934.

 

As far as I know, no Q-ship in WW 2.

Modificato 2 Febbraio, 2011 da de domenico

[Corto Maltese]

Erminio Bagnasco in his book "In guerra sul mare", Ermanno Albertelli Editore, Parma 2005, pag. 194 remembers that the fishing boats Ottavia, Elena, Ninetta and Ariella (Pennant number As. 91-94) were used as decoy vessels during WWII. At the same time V. 53 Lilibeo (between summer and winter 1941) accomplished some missions in tunisian's neutral water to detect and observe Allied navals operations camouflaged as french fishing boat.

Modificato 29 Gennaio, 2011 da Corto Maltese

[de domenico]

Thanks, my good Corto...Some additional data: AS 91/94 were only used as decoy ships from Sept. 1941 to April 1942.

AS 91 OTTAVIA (ex V 4), a motorschooner (brigantino-goletta da carico), 259 or 260 grt/1921, 204 nrt, 420 tdw, built as a sailing ship by Eugenio Gotuzzo at Chiavari, launch 2. or 5.4.1921, engined in 1936 or 1937, owner Luigi Guido Tomei and Duilio & Giuseppe Partiti of Viareggio (reg. no. vg 535), requisitioned by the Regia Marina at Naples on 24.6.1940 as V 4 (V stands for Vigilanza foranea, or offshore patrol). On 5 March 1942 sunk by gunfire off Argostoli (Cephalonia) by the submarine HMS THORN, 1 mi. off Ortholithia/ Cape Alterra.

AS 92 ELENA (ex V 204), ex GABRIELLA (1917), ex CARLO PIAGGIA, ditto (nave-goletta da carico), 243 grt/1902, built as a sailing ship by Fortunato Celli at Viareggio (launched March 1902), engined by 1939, owner Gianbattista Forzinetti of Palermo, requisitioned by RM at Civitavecchia on 15.1.1941 as V 204. Grounded, probably sunk off Palermo on 23.11.1941, later raised and back into service. Released from RM after 24.11.1941, used by Allied forces after July 1943. Foundered 6.11.1946 SW of Ponza island.

AS 93 NINETTA (ex V 211), ditto, ex VERBANUS, built in 1919 as a sailing ship by Piceni, Gessaga & C. at Chiavari, launch 7.10.1919, compl. 23.10.1919, engined in 1934, owner Giuseppe Donato of Messina, 261 grt, 205 nrt. Survived the war, foundered in 1955 as ZOROASTRO.

AS 94 ARIELLA (ex V 227), ex AVVENIRE (1933) ex CARLO, ditto (brigantino-goletta da carico), 234 or 235 grt/1906, built by L. Gotuzzo at Chiavari, owners Fratelli D'Amico, Rome. Requisitioned by RM at Ancona on 10.5.1941 as V 227. Abandoned by RM 9.9.1943. Sunk at Savona by air attack on 4.6.1944, later raised. Post-war used by the Aliyah Bet (purchased by Giacomo Viterbo as ADRIANA) under the name PALMACH, 11 to 21.9.1946 sailed from Giannutri with 611 Jewish refugees. Intercepted by HMS ROWENA off Acre on 22.9.1946 (one refugee killed) and taken to Haifa. Removed from Lloyd's Register in 1952.

Modificato 30 Gennaio, 2011 da de domenico

[Pinin]

Storia parziale del Ottavia. Purtroppo nessuna foto.

 

http://www.marinai.it/contatti/acatello.pdf

[de domenico]

Well, I found an old photo of CARLO PIAGGIA, the future ELENA.

[Pinin]

È possibile la scansione?

[de domenico]

È possibile la scansione?

 

Il libro sui velieri viareggini pesa un accidente, devo portarmelo dietro.. vediamo un po'.

[ptdockyard]

Great info. Hope we can see the picture of ELENA.

 

Does anyone know what these ships were armed with and what means of concealment they used for the weapons?

 

Dave G

The PT Dockyard

Modificato 8 Aprile, 2011 da Alagi

[Pinin]

Il libro sui velieri viareggini pesa un accidente, devo portarmelo dietro.. vediamo un po'.

 

O una foto.

[de domenico]

Ecco il cimelio. La foto viene da uno splendido libro appena uscito.

 

"La Flotta Scomparsa. Storia degli armamenti velici viareggini. I Bastimenti", Flavio Serafini, Edizioni Gribaudo, 2010

Modificato 2 Febbraio, 2011 da de domenico

[Pinin]

Grazie de domenico :)

[de domenico]

E questo è il vecchio SASSARI ancora nella veste di LADY ROBERTS per la B&I.

 

 

www.photoship.co.uk

Modificato 4 Febbraio, 2011 da de domenico

[de domenico]

Ho trovato una foto del GIANICOLO (1a g.m.). Appena possibile qui.

[de domenico]

Eccolo qua.

 

"Navi e Marinai Italiani nella Grande Guerra", Erminio Bagnasco e Achille Rastelli, Ermanno Albertelli Editore, 1997

[de domenico]

Cercando EBE e SIMONETTA, ho trovato altre due foto del CARLO PIAGGIA.

 

"La Flotta Scomparsa. Storia degli armamenti velici viareggini - I bastimenti", Flavio Serafini, Edizioni Gribaudo, 2010

Modificato 21 Marzo, 2011 da de domenico